I agree. I think Cutler and Heath are MONSTERS. And yeah, steroids and GH help a bit, but still, Cutler has been building that body for 20 years. We can still learn something from it. Don't expect to finish the workout or manage to down all the food though.

Even with 'cell tech' you still have to put in the work. I know I'd never look like Jay, but I have pulled some tips from his work out videos off of YouTube.

Violander, we all use steroids--we just call it testosterone. But tell you what, go ahead and take steroids, and let's see if you can do what he has done. El_ganso, if they're all the same, why are you so tiny? They're not all the same. Try a few and you'll see that some programs work better than others, especially considering individual differences. Program design is not as simple as you think; there's plenty of science behind it, from the exercises to the sets, reps, and rest periods.

Always keep an open mind to new training and nutrition protocols. I can't tell you how many new things I've learned by closing my mouth, opening my eyes and ears and trying something new.

@ captaincranky. 22% bodyfat and under 200 lbs? You need to seriously cut and get off of the internet.